Well – there are several confounding issues.
Since there is no guideline as to how these courses will appear on a transcript, receiving institutions may be forced to accept these articulated courses as part of CCN. I think some faculty, CAO’s, and accrediting or licensing organizations may have a problem honoring credits offered through an articulation agreement from a non-accredited institution.
There is an issue in not posting these courses as transfer (or noted in some other/consistent way) so that receiving institution can sustain academic standards.
For example: MSU determines to articulate College Level Chemistry from Belgrade High School and we also chose not to indicate in any way on the transcript that these credits were earned through articulation as opposed to on-campus. The student then decides to transfer to UM and study pharmacy. Now UM is obligated to accept this chemistry as part of CCN and has no way of knowing that this course was not offered at an accredited college. In this instance I think the PR nightmare begins as the accreditation of the UM Pharmacy school is called to question for transferring in courses offered at a high school (which is obviously not regionally accredited).
Assuming that we determine to indicate (on transcripts) that these credits are part of an articulation agreement. There is a potential issue in undermining the intent of CCN.
Consider the previous example except that in this case the course is indicated as transfer or articulated on the students transcript. Now UM is obligated (by the note excerpted in my original email) to transfer in the credits. However, the Pharmacy department determines not to accept the credits as part of the Pharmacy degree (citing accreditation concerns). Now the political backlash occurs when the student’s aunt (who happens to have access to the public discourse in Montana) calls foul. “We were told this course would articulate seamlessly into the Common Course Numbering system within the University system – we had no idea Johnny wanted to be a pharmacist when he took the course. If these credits aren’t chemistry what are they!” I think the words that have gone through Common Course Numbering and are should be cut from the note.
Frankly I think the first example is the larger issue in terms of academic standards and integrity. The second issue could be inflammatory but the pharmacy schools actions have precedence in how we collectively treat transfer coursework.
Does this help clarify? I have to admit I have a massive head cold and am recovering from some complications with my recent ACL surgery. Perhaps I am missing the mark here. If so, please just let me know. I won’t be offended.
Thanks
Tony Campeau
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Okay, Tony, Bev and I, at Missoula College are trying to figure out what your exact concerns are here. Please be more specific for all of us. Sorry for the last email, it was just Bev and I brainstorming. J
Keep the opinions coming.
Bonnie Dux
Registrar
Missoula College
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Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:45 PM
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I still think this following statement is opening a can of worms that will eventually lead to a significant PR nightmare for the system. Essentially, this provision combined with the fact that there are no standards as to how the course will be posted on a transcript results in one school being able to determine transferability/articulation from a high school into any and all colleges in the state. Please consider this from a faculty perspective before you move forward or approve.
Note: All courses that have gone through Common Course Numbering and are locally articulated will be accepted throughout the Montana University System. Students and Parents are responsible to work with college and high school counselors and advisors to research determine how coursework will transfer and whether it will satisfy particular program requirements.
Does no one else see this as a significant issue? Am I missing something?
Tony Campeau
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Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:54 PM
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Importance: High
Good afternoon,
I’m am part of the Board of Regents Dual Enrollment Expansion Workgroup and have been asked to obtain MUS Admissions & Registrar feedback on the attached DRAFT document. Please review and provide questions and feedback to me by May 2, 2014.
Thank you in advance for your time. ~d
P.S. The Dual Enrollment Guidelines and MOU will be sent soon once a bit more finalized.
Dena Wagner-Fossen
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