In regards to the second question, we current post summary credits for all transfers (postbacc or undergrad) and are trying to fix that decision now. If anyone is considering this path I would highly recommend reconsidering. If individual classes are not listed, Banner does not know if the student has met pre-reqs. As a result the student cannot register online and staff have to either individually check students transcripts for pre-reqs every time they register or send them around for pre-req signatures. Very inconvenient for the student and for the offices working with the student.
I won’t obsessively go on about the dangers of grouping credit, but I will say if I had a time machine that is the one decision I would go back in time to stop on Western’s campus.
Charity
Charity Walters| Registrar and Director of Institutional Research | The University of Montana Western | 710 South Atlantic Street | Dillon, Montana 59725 |
Phone 406.683.7471
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I actually have a question to piggy back on these questions.
If a student completed a Bachelor’s degree, and had a variety of classes transferred in for that degree, do they have to provide you with all of the original transcripts or do you just say they have completed the gen ed since they have a degree?
Also, are you posted the classes that complete their gen ed, just a total amount of credits, or something different?
Thanks,
Sarah Dellwo, Director of Admissions and Records
1115 North Roberts
Helena, MT 59601
(p) 406-447-6908 (f) 406-447-6397
www.umhelena.edu
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I sent the questions over to the advising center since they deal with this day to day. Here are their responses.
Hi Leslie,
1. When a student has completed a Bachelor’s degree elsewhere, we consider their Gen Eds complete. There may be degree-specific requirements that they will still need to complete, so review may still be necessary.
2. We still consider the gen eds complete, even with Ds, as long as they have been awarded a bachelor’s degree.
3. The student must still meet the prerequisites for a course. So if the only prereq for M 273 is that they have lower division math, then they are ready to take this math. I see the prereq for M 273 is M 172, and the prereq for that is M 171. So if, when they completed their gen eds, they did not take M 171, then they must take the sequence to be prepared for the class. (I think that is what you are asking) So if there are degree specific requirements, they must still complete those, even if their gen eds are complete.
4. AA and AS degrees are handled the same way. AAS degrees, however, are not. They generally do not have all the gen ed requirements as the AA or AS degrees.
Usually, when a student is coming to UMW for a second degree, it’s for education. That department reviews their transcripts to see what they took, how old it is and what they might need to retake. For instance, the Business Department sees students coming back for our Business & Computer Applications Secondary Ed degree. They will look at the age of the computer courses they took to see if they need to update them. Generally if they are older than 5 years they need to brush up, so they may be required to take repeat courses to bring them up to date.
Does that help?
Let me know if that generates more questions.
Margo
Charity Walters| Registrar and Director of Institutional Research | The University of Montana Western | 710 South Atlantic Street | Dillon, Montana 59725 |
Phone 406.683.7471
Hello, I have some questions about students transferring in with a Bachelor’s degree and the assumption that their Gen Ed core was met.
1. If a student has a Bachelor’s degree, do you always assume that the Gen Ed are complete? Do you exclude them from the individual courses required to complete the second degree? Do you do a block transfer for the Gen Ed courses?
2. What if the 1st degree was prior to the exclusion of D grades for graduation? For example, if a student earned the Bachelor’s degree with Ds in Gen Ed courses, do you grandfather those in even though there was a break in attendance?
3. If you assume Gen Ed competency and do not transfer courses individually, how do you handle degrees with higher level math? For example, it seems problematic to allow someone to start in M 273 for an engineering degree by assuming math competency in the first 6 credits of that program.
4. Do you handle the AA or AS transfers with Gen Ed the same way?
Am I making this too complicated? It just seems like the more I dive into this process, the more questions I have. Thanks for any wisdom you can share!
Leslie Dickerson
Montana Tech
Registrar/Executive Dir. of Enrollment Magement
(406) 496-4879
ldickerson@mtech.edu
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